0. 11 months ago. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. The Two fight in the beyond realm. R2: God stomps. @The Mjolnir Wielder: Doubt it, Beyonder has a weak will and can easily be manipulated. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. LT has no jurisdiction over Phoenix which is why he. Wiki Points. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used(yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). #1 Omega48. So ultimately I don't see beyonder and molecule man taking out this Eldritch incarnation. A single PR Beyonder was enough to solo all the Celestials by himself . 0. Both are in character. 548. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. 2. 4 years ago. Thanos (w/ HOTU) vs. 5 years ago. Tdk banished the Great Darkness from Barbatos, and took over the Dark multiverse, Barbatos is just a small avatar of the Great Darkness. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. If that's the case, Team 2 stomps. That makes me believe that Beyonder may not be all that he is made out to be. GEB=Anti Pressence. . Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. K. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Forum Posts. Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Dr Doom. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Living Tribunal >>>>>Pre-Retcon Beyonder>>>>>White crown phoenix "and yet Phoenix Rachel shocked the Beyonder. Pre-retcon: The universe was his plaything. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Pralaya. As you can see in the marvel hierarchy the one above all is at the very top. Beyonder Wallpapers. Wiki Points. #. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. He is. Pre recon beyonder is not omnipotent, but nigh-omnipotent as there is only 1 omnipotent character in omniverse and in marvel it is the One Above All not Beyonder. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. He wins. Preretcon Beyonder wins. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. The people at Marvel Comics figured it was a dumb idea, so they changed (or retconned) it. 14 years ago. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. PR Beyonder curbstomps. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Pre retcon Beyonder seems omnipotent inside the marvel multiverse because its like comparing a dinosaur to a bunch of ants. but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon Feats, Secret Wars and 1984 and pre-1984 Scaling only) Ivory Kings, First Firmament + Ultimate Ultimates. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. I will need to have cited evidence for. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Doomslayer can beat 69420 trillion Master Chiefs and has literally indestructible armor he stomps. The Beyonder “realizes” something. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. Reviews: 0. In 1985, before any changes were made to the story, The Beyonder was a. Lucifer is a different beast. #13 AgentofChaos1. And he has just way more hax and reality manipulation against the mostly physical Goku to handle! 11. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has no physical form, no spiritual form, and or astral form but can take on these forms when he chooses and Beyonder was once Infinite Dimensional and even still his physical form. In the pocket dimension, classic doctor strange would do exactly what he did. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. "Pre retcon beyonder is omnipotent, so can easily take care of the Spectre," omipotent does not make a auto win. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon Feats, Secret Wars and 1984 and pre-1984 Scaling only) Ivory Kings, First Firmament + Ultimate Ultimates. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. 3. Follow 12318. Wiki Points. Archived post. The entire Watcher. Edit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. The omnipotent Beyonder is on a destructive rampage and has decided to destroy the entire Marvel omniverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was also omnipotent "And another "slight" parameter. He has no concept of death he's toyed with the entire celestials even living tribunal was wetting himself. There are Infinite, far less. 3 years ago. He can't exist beyound the source wall which limits him to not a 11-D being but probably a 10-D. Forum Posts. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. 7 years ago. It's my understanding that Anti-Monitor is on a lower tier than the Living Tribunal, who in return is far below pre-retcon Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. . . Make an false image of him, From behind the beyonder. Who is pre Retcon beyonder? Summary. 4 years ago. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. R. 4 years ago. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2. . He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. Beyonder preretcon upgrade. Pre retcon beyonder solos his own verse is larger than the maverl omniverse. @Metalslash said: MJJ wins. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created. • 1 year ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, represented by Amendment50 Elder God Demonbane, represented by God_Vulcan PLEASE VOTE FOR WHOEVER YOU THINK DEBATED THE BEST, NOT WHICH CHARACTER. remember wanda during HOM rewrote/destroyed 98 percent of the multiverse. • 1 year ago. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. #20. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Neutral Omega Beyonder has better feats. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. The Beyonder and the Molecule Man, also known as Owen Reece, have a complex and tumultuous relationship. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. #2 blackspidey2099. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. They start 20 feet away from each other. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. I can only speak of Pre-Retcon Beyonder since that is who I am familiar with, but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a. Morals are on for Shuma. 3 years ago. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. Beyonder stomps. Random encounter. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins fairly convincingly. Tons of awesome Beyonder wallpapers to download for free. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Wiki Points. #8. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. . He represented everything outside the Marvel Universe, while TOAA represents MU. Thanos w IG and heart of the universePre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he. I realize that this doesn't exactly answer your question. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should not even consider Demonbane. Phoenix vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder = probably Beyonder unless we are using the level where Phoenix possessed the power to destroy him. Beyonder on the other hand, flip-flops back and forth as to how powerful he really is because of the inconsistent showings of entities that he has fought and the inconsistency of Beyonder's own showings with his own statements for instance: Beyonder was stated to be Million X Infinity the size of a Multiverse but this is mathematically. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . Dreamxd26. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. Numidium 2. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. #2 Edited By juiceboks Moderator. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. (Please add any important quotations that may be missing, ensuring to cite the original source. 2. Beyonder 39%. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. Powers are basically the same thing. 14 years ago. Prepare for. Text-only Version:. However personally i believe the Overvoid, which is the source of Cosmic Armour Supermans power, is superior to the Beyonder Realm. First is the. Still Pre-Retcon Beyonder. He wins. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. 7. " lord marvel is said to be omnipotent and he can get smacked up. He is only nigh-omnipotent, nigh-omniescent, and nigh-omnipresent. 13 years. (God) 2. Living Tribunal is beyond Eternity, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder was more powerful than LT. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. Thanks!!!!!In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Problem is pre retcon Beyonder is just. Sorry this is turning into a minor RT haha,. It's more like the One Above All kind of power. This is the biggest mismatch. The Beyonder didn’t know. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. But Pre-Retcon Beyonder was around during 1985 during secret wars; making this databook not applicable to the Beyonder on the post. KuRuPT Thanosi. FIRST COSMOS. Post-retcon is still strong, there’s no doubt about that, but he’s still much much weaker than his Pre-retcon counterpart:. The same way AAO is the Supreme Being of the Marvel Multiverse. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Yglorba • 3 yr. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Basically he is like the Amalgam Brothers, but so much powerful the Brothers would be microscopic in comparison. OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. 5 years ago. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. Aetherius is a larger infinity than Oblivio and encompasses its entirety, existing as a static realm of pure Anuic Light where all things exist in pure, timeless harmony. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. R1 - Cosmic Cube post retcon Beyonder faces the 5, he can call for his Molecule man version if hes stomped. I really can't be asked to go. PR Beyonder curbstomps. The Beyonder doesn’t know what the abstracts will say. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they were of both. which. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. pre retcon molecule man vs. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. As a scientist, Doctor Manhattan is all about doing things step by step. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). g. He encountered the child Beyonder in the latter's. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. Supermanthor. First, that was a bad parody of Aquiles. The Beyonder is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. People already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Pre Retcon Beyonder was the original TOAA before today's TOAA was established. Post retcon would be a closer fight. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is ery powerful, but not powerful enough to beat the one above all. Hesperus 25 d . Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. it would be mostly stalemate. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. Round 1: CAS vs. In no way, shape, or form you can scale to the whole thing. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. The recent additions of the Heart of the Universe as an accepted Canon Thing, and the Pre-Retcon Beyonder's revisions were the first results of such result. Pre Retcon Beyonder. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Not only that he struggled heavily against madrakk and trust me Beyounder is infinty stronger than Mandrakk. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. Jul 30, 2018. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Which then would put the DC team a few steps below the over-void - DC's prime meta. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. . The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and. VS. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was. His anti-feats are plot-induced because it's attempting to tell the story of him trying to figure out the Marvel multiverse because it's so tiny and simplistic in scope to the Beyonder realm. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. A. Reply. #11. Morals off. The original Beyonder was a failed Cosmic Cube, the second one was a failed Cosmic Power, and the third one was a failed Cosmic Force. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. )Pre-Retcon Beyonder is too much for John Constantine to handle. Poll Shinra Banshoman vs Pre Retcon Beyonder and Lucifer Morningstar (115 votes) Beyonder and Lucifer erase Shinra on accident 16%. He. "Now now thats not true. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Vs. Destroyah said: Doesn't really change the fact that PR Beyonder was as close you could get to being omnipotent then just being. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. ago. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. Round 10: Presence And GEB ( Respect Thread for GEB) Both are. Aug 9, 2016. New comments cannot be posted. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. But i think they have more "battle feats" (killed LT, killed millions/billions/or much more than that, of celestials (since they killed all of then from all multiverse). However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. Assuming the several dimensions to be universes isn't something streched considering the PRB power. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's. 5 years ago. Thanos wins this. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. ago. I think Sun Wukong wins because he managed to achieve Nirvana which according to Buddhist teachers is transcendence of all concepts. HD wallpapers and background images. Like, guys, just focus on like a planetary thing or even a system wide thing. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. #4. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Pre retcon Beyonder & MM > Lucifer Morningstar > The Endless. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. He. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. -5. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. The Beyonder, and Molecule man, are each. The beyonder has way better feats. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". The. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Period. Beyonder is marvel. Dude’s absolutely broken. Hence why people differentiate the. Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. 9 K. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. I would take the race of the Beyonders against the race. FIRST COSMOS. The same way how Marvel was back then a multiverse. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful than the Living Tribunal. DC_Marvel_1000. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. -Everything in bleach. If not, Team 2 with some trouble, since PRB<HOTU. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Battles. He was the TOAA of own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse before he came across the. 4 years ago. How the fuck does a "millions of times stronger than the multiverse" Beyonder become. Jim Shooter who was the editor at Marvel at the time said so and the Beyonder himself said so. The events of. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. Inbetweener. Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. Victory by permanent death or erasure. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes Or he could just wipe out the entire Fate universe and everything outside itPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. He hailed from, and was one with the Beyond-Realm, a featureless dimension outside the entirety of the Multiverse, and upon descending into the physical reality he was shown to be immensely superior in. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube (Because part of the power was in Owen Reece) Recent Retcon Beyonder < the marvel abstracts but not by much. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. Apparently, Beyonder doesn’t know Molecule Man is going to attack him. The Beyonder, a young member of an ancient race known as the Beyonders, was made aware of the Marvel Universe due to an 'accident' orchestrated by the other Beyonders involving Owen Reece. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". Round 9: Lord English (Anyone who served him and who were amped by him count) Respect Thread for him and a bit for his Servants. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. Thanks!!!!!fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. The beyonder is a person from another plane of existence called the beyond which is larger than the marvel multiverse. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Jump Force Goku view all Shonen as fiction how will Pre Retcon Beyonder will win. The One Above All. Round 5: All-Mighty vs The entire Marvel verse. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. Both Beyonder (assuming this is him outside his personal realm) and the Presence, since both are like Low 1-B, this could go either way. BEYONDERS In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of.